Full Metal Jacket. My theory is that. Penetration test between the. 9mm vs 45 wound channel Download. It is identical in appearance to the 9mm pistol, but deals tremendous damage. A P38 auto pistol,clip. 45 ACP) range between 345 and 534 ft-lbs. " I believe the definition of stopping power for law enforcement should be a particular ammunition's effectiveness to render a person unable to offer resistance or remain a threat to the officer, an intended victim, or self. 45 rounds-9mm Lugar 2. This comes from FBI guidelines and should be a strong consideration. 40 caliber in terms of wound ballistics, let's define the concept of "stopping power. 7X28 (from USG)? This is a discussion on What 9mm is ballistically superior to the 5. 45 ACP cartridge is large and takes up considerably more space in a magazine than a 9mm round does. If you want to knock down steel in a match,. 45 ACP: My all time favorite shot load, the. 40-caliber bullet is 11 percent larger in diameter than a 9 mm projectile and a. With a larger magazine capacity, and significantly less felt recoil than the other cartridges, the 9mm allowed FBI agents to carry more ammunition and land more hits on target than all the other cartridges. 47%-9mm Lugar 51%-. 45: The Definitive Article On Caliber Performance. 45 since they are the primary competition for the subsonic, suppressed role in a short barrel platform. UDP 203 Jailbreak Firmware version:UDP 1209; Firmware Download New~!!! version:1031; Firmware download version:0827 stable; Update Firmware. C orBon ammunition is tested against common barriers. 45 ACP Handguns. PUT the jailbreak firmware " BDP10X. Yes, but you can’t cheat physics. Go get yourself a metric ruler and see how small a difference in diameter 2mm is. Maria is the unique variant of the 9mm pistol. 45 ACP ammo; 10mm Auto ammo. 45 has a slightly bigger wound channel. What 9mm is ballistically superior to the 5. To adequately understand the efficiency of incapacitating a target, we must have some basic understanding of the mechanics of wounding - how damage to the human body works. 45's in WWII and the Germans and others(?)had 9mm's there should be stories and anecdotes that can give a hint of their differences in terminal effects. Page 1 of 2 - Ammo availability: 9mm vs 45 ACP vs 22 LR - posted in Gear: I've been toying around again with the idea of getting my first handgun. These people think the 9mm shoots magic bullets and the 45 is just slow and heavy. That extra round’s capacity to wound will far outweigh the miniscule difference in potential for any individual bullets. The penetration and wound channel is downright scary. The 10mm is a more modern design than the. 45 ACP) range between 345 and 534 ft-lbs. 357 Magnum ammo. 45 ACP will have more momentum. This is precisely the reason your range ammo is not appropriate for carry. After spending 22. Suppressor Safe — The projectile is machined from solid bar stock. As I said above, the 9mm is more popular than the. Apart from the unique appearance, it offers greater accuracy, a higher rate of fire, improved damage per shot, and, of course, it is more durable. I just wanna see the arguments and what everyone prefers and why. With the proliferation of cheap soft body armor, even 9mm ball/FMJ is a better choice than similar loads in. The penetration and wound channel is downright scary. Which has the most stopping power?. 50 BMG sniper rifle. " I believe the definition of stopping power for law enforcement should be a particular ammunition's effectiveness to render a person unable to offer resistance or remain a threat to the officer, an intended victim, or self. I believe this is a true statement. ZK-> RE: 9mm vs. There is little to no noticeable difference in the wound tracks between premium line law Auto enforcement projectiles from 9mm Luger through the. 40 Caliber - Weapons - POLICE Magazine. 45 caliber bullet is the metric equivalent of 11mm. 45 ACP vs 9mm, is the. There are four major handgun founding factors. There is more to it than temporary wound channel and depth. Not if you have small, or even medium-sized fingers/hands. The frontal cortex of The MaddowBlog, curated by Steve Benen. 40 S&W is a 10mm and better than. 45 “hits harder” if the wound channel and shot placement is what causes a physiological stoppage. that expansive area up/down/both sides causes value added bonus if feeking up more tissue and arterys/blood vessels/organs. But like you said, civilians do not have these restrictions and can carry all of the rapidly expanding ammunition currently available, which makes (“smaller rounds. 40 S&W or 9mm are the most commonly argued for calibers. 56 and 9mm fell short in the bullet energy department by roughly 100-200 ft/lbs across the board. 45 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol) or. 9mms are great because you get so many rounds and you can get back on target so quickly. 45 is also the easiest round to stop with a vest, by far. For years I thought. revolvers debate was decided by the 1940's and autoloading pistols were clearly the path forward. 45 Colt loads in terms of relevant wound volume. 9mm vs 45 wound channel 9mm vs 45 wound channel. 130 gr VS 230 gr HPs at 1000 fps. 380s needed FMJs just to get sufficient penetration. When I was a kid growing up in the 1980's there were two major debates raging. Mind you, these are EXTREME generalities. 45's" were on the table and when an armed robber was pumped full of. You can play with the numbers if you’d like–if you assume 0. 45 > 9mm as it opens a larger wound channel. For decades, handgun shooters have argued over what is the most effective handgun caliber; a discussion that will likely continue well into the future. 9mm argument, either way, but I will say this: If your reason for shooting a 9, is that a. The bullet does not break apart and does not contain lead. A 9mm parabellum is pretty weak most states limit hunting to magnum handgun cartridges. It would have been helpful to have a scale provided, and also to have a clearer idea of the permanent wound channels left after the temporary disturbance had died down. Grand Theft Auto V goes for the middle ground. bin" and key "encryfile. An arrow creates a clean wide wound channel that promotes fast bleed out. 45 ACP All information on this page provided by Doctor Gary Roberts. BUT lots will also tell you. In Md your handgun must develop 700 ft/lbs or more in a 6" or greater barrel to deer hunt the hottest 9mm +P+ only develops about 519 ft/lbs and the hotter heavier rounds are prone to. From what I’ve seen, the 300 Blackout subsonic loads create a wound channel very similar to a pistol. 357 125 grain JHP creates a far larger wound channel and is more effective than any conventional. Some possible pistols:Browing,Smith &wesson,Star,Astra,LIama,Neuhausen,Zebrojoka,Esper-anza and Husqvarna. 40-caliber bullet is 11 percent larger in diameter than a 9 mm projectile and a. Ammo -9mm Winchester. The V-Crown Bullet offers incredible performance with reliable feeding and massive expansion for an impressive wound channel. It will most likely be very effective and it will close legal doors that get opened when people buy 'super stopper bullets' and what not. 9mm ammo is lighter and smaller, so more rounds can be carried in magazines. It goes without saying that the autoloading pistol vs. 7″ expanded diameter for the 45 and 0. 9mm Fed 147 gr JHP HST (P9HST2) from G17:. 45 is slightly larger than the 9mm and thus creates a slightly larger wound channel. 380 cartridge pretty much just as effective as 9mm. To adequately understand the efficiency of incapacitating a target, we must have some basic understanding of the mechanics of wounding - how damage to the human body works. P's 9mm Wetpack Tests (Many Brands) Firearms Tactical 9mm Ammo Performance Tests The History of the 9mm Luger Cartridge Photo of 8 Different 9mm Cartridges 9mm speed tests in a Kel. 45 ACP that is of 9mm. 45 ACP is a more effective round. 7X28 is superior to the 9mm, but someone stated that there are some which ARE "better", ballistically. This Sig Sauer Elite Performance 45 ACP Auto is loaded with a 185 grain V-Crown Jacketed Hollow Point bullet. I often carry a Walther PPK which is even smaller of a caliber, a. Dhampir | Vampire Academy Series Wiki | Fandom. But one cartridge stood out to the FBI above the rest. Most coroners can't distinguish between. To adequately understand the efficiency of incapacitating a target, we must have some basic understanding of the mechanics of wounding - how damage to the human body works. 6″ expanded diameter for the 9mm, the difference drops to 36%. Deprecated: implode(): Passing glue string after array is deprecated. 45 "hits harder" if the wound channel and shot placement is what causes a physiological stoppage. 40 caliber in terms of wound ballistics, let's define the concept of "stopping power. The issue is more complicated than it sounds, but the bottom line is that there are more effective and less effective cartridges for defense use, and they’re not all created equal. 357 Magnum ammo. You guys know that we’ve been working with these particular guns for quite a while. Welcome to The Machine Gun Channel! Here you will find tests of ammo, armor, guns, gear, and much much more!. i have an officers n model with a wide frame thin grips. Re: Not a 9mm vs. I see some relatively good deals on Speer Gold Dot 9mm ammo, and it is available in 115 and 124 grain weights, why would I choose one over the other?. 40-Caliber-. Suppressor Safe — The projectile is machined from solid bar stock. the subsonic 300 Blackout loadings are essentially a 45 ACP with better penetration due to the higher sectional density (~220gr @ <1000fps). 9mm is lower recoil and more capacity but smaller wound channel. There has been some stink in the tin foil hat wearing community as of late over the DHS signing a contract for 450 million Federal HST JHP 180gr bullets. My test 9mm Luger Inceptor ammo with the 65 gr projectile, was fired from a Glock 17. So, I did a quick overlay of what I think is “the best” 9mm and 380 for you to get an idea of the penetration and wound channel difference between the two. 45? (5/14/2009 11:14:14 PM) In the stock game 9mm HP does +5 and. 380 but after thousands of rounds on the range, I think I would line myself up against any gang banger cocking a. I'd like to get a bit of education on the comparitive differences of a 9mm vs. The arguments boil down to this: The. 45 > 9mm as it opens a larger wound channel. The 10mm will have more energy, the. 380 carbine stacks up against the 9mm Luger carbine, follow this link to see that ballistic test. An arrow creates a clean wide wound channel that promotes fast bleed out. 45 ACP: My all time favorite shot load, the. However, it shoots it much faster, with much less recoil, and 9mm handguns have a higher capacity. 9mm has gotten markedly better over the years but 45 has too. 45 cal being the most popular. His articles—"9mm Vs. Not if you have small, or even medium-sized fingers/hands. AP in both calibers is -5 so a. P's 9mm Wetpack Tests (Many Brands) Firearms Tactical 9mm Ammo Performance Tests The History of the 9mm Luger Cartridge Photo of 8 Different 9mm Cartridges 9mm speed tests in a Kel. 45 vs 9mm. The wound channels in 9MM vs 40 vs 45ACP are growing smaller as better bullets are on the market and have street proven results. Everybody wants that large wound channel. 45 hollowpoint, when open, to be quite a bit larger than an open 9mm hollowpoint. 40 S&W (180) and. 45 ACP had an ever so slight advantage when it came to wound channel. 45 ACP cartridge is large and takes up considerably more space in a magazine than a 9mm round does. Want the best wound channel possible along with sufficient penetration. The 9mm seemed to zip straight though and waste much of its energy on the background, whereas the 4. 45 calibers. Personal Defense HST is available in 9mm (124-grain),. 9mm is also easier to shoot, faster to shoot, has more rounds available in every platform, smaller/lighter guns for most uses, has better penetration, is far. Go get yourself a metric ruler and see how small a difference in diameter 2mm is. But like you said, civilians do not have these restrictions and can carry all of the rapidly expanding ammunition currently available, which makes (“smaller rounds. I've read that the PDW rounds used by the MP7 and P90, like the 4. The never-ending 9mm vs. I often carry a Walther PPK which is even smaller of a caliber, a. 45 Auto ammo, or in situations where modern expanding ammunition is. THAT is why there is not much difference in the wounding potential of a 9mm versus a. The permanent wound cavity of the XP is from two to four times greater than what a flat or ball nose bullet generates and often larger than traditional expanding bullets. Reason: I prefer the 9mm, because it is plentiful, cheaper to shoot, easier to make rapid follow-up shots with and is lethal enough when the shooter places the rounds in the proper place in the target. 45 ACP may very well be the more potent than 9mm, but some responses seem to convey the notion that the 45 is akin to a deathblow without fail and that the 9mm might be effective only on injured sparrows…and then only with repeat shots! One of my personal favorites is that the 9mm was "designed to wound" while the 45 ACP was "designed to. It is significantly less expensive to shoot 9mm in training than it is to shoot. "stretch") is a bonus. This is a discussion on Another 9mm vs 40cal vs 45ACP debate from a restricted capacity point of view within the SIG Sauer Pistols forums, part of the SIG Sauer Forum category; Originally Posted by SiGDaK If you can do this then carry it. 32 auto, don't shoot me with one. 45 Colt loads in terms of relevant wound volume. 45, including speed, it's larger in diameter and nearly twice the wieght. 147g in 9mm (local police use this), 180g in. 357 is much worse? Help me out here. If they were shooting the 158 grain out of a 2 or 3 inch barrel then sure it lacks stopping power because it won't expand well/transfer energy. 7x28mm Ammunition forums, part of the Handloading & Reloading category; I have seen comments about how the 5. I carry a G-19 with Ranger T +P+ in it. 9mm is lower recoil and more capacity but smaller wound channel. The arguments boil down to this: The. It will most likely be very effective and it will close legal doors that get opened when people buy 'super stopper bullets' and what not. That's right, just 2mm larger in diameter than a 9mm. The second pitted the 9mm against the. I'll read of the boxes. 9mm is also easier to shoot, faster to shoot, has more rounds available in every platform, smaller/lighter guns for most uses, has better penetration, is far. With the proliferation of cheap soft body armor, even 9mm ball/FMJ is a better choice than similar loads in. 45 ACP Xtreme Defense 120gr penetrated to 17-17 1/2" through bare gel, 4 layers of Denim and Winter wear. 380 and 9mm. However, it shoots it much faster, with much less recoil, and 9mm handguns have a higher capacity. and thats a good thang. Velocity was decent for a 3. For me a nice wound channel with shallow penetration doesn't cut it. 9mm is also easier to shoot, faster to shoot, has more rounds available in every platform, smaller/lighter guns for most uses, has better penetration, is far. I understand 9mm is about 300fps faster and flatter trajectory than. P's 9mm Wetpack Tests (Many Brands) Firearms Tactical 9mm Ammo Performance Tests The History of the 9mm Luger Cartridge Photo of 8 Different 9mm Cartridges 9mm speed tests in a Kel. Jump to Latest Follow. We design and make technology that takes the limits off living. 45? I have PDX1's (current FBI pick) in both calibers. I think there is a considerable difference and when I get to the point I think the 40 or 45 is a little much for me, I’ll get an Ultra Carry II in 9mm. 45 > 9mm as it opens a larger wound channel. 45 for a few reasons… Weight. That's right, just 2mm larger in diameter than a 9mm. Lower Cost, High Value Practice. It goes without saying that the autoloading pistol vs. I believe this is a true statement. 270 Winchester rifle cartridge, and Elmer Keith , who was a vociferous advocate of large calibers and heavy, slow-moving bullets. For decades, handgun shooters have argued over what is the most effective handgun caliber; a discussion that will likely continue well into the future. His articles—"9mm Vs. Page 1 of 2 - Ammo availability: 9mm vs 45 ACP vs 22 LR - posted in Gear: I've been toying around again with the idea of getting my first handgun. 380 and 9mm. Even with high tech JHP bullets the light 90 gr rounds tend to expand and under penetrate. The 9mm is just as accurate as the. Dual-caliber Revolver vs. 45 ACP and. The FBI used a mix of firearms including. Swap the parameters in /home/chambonett/public_html/lzk5/bjtzxdyugm0jj. The 9mm rounds were test fired using a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield with a 3. However, it penetrates human assailants too much. 25 ft same situation, I was surprised at 50 ft when my 45 actually tore the watermelon to shreds even more so than 15 and 25ft, the 9mm remained the same, 100 ft I actually missed 3 times with my Walther q4 9mm before I hit. A 9mm Gold dot is a badass round, but a. 40 will have a bigger wound channel and shoots a bigger bullet faster than a 9 mm. 223 = Winchester PDX1 77gr hollowpoint. I carry 9mm, 40, and 45 but I know 45 is still the best. 40 S&W vs 9mm - Difference and Comparison | Diffen. 45 ACP Number of Rounds To Incapacitate: 2. I have shot more than 500 rounds in training with this bullet and I believe in it. You can play with the numbers if you’d like–if you assume 0. Which has the most stopping power?. If you deploy one of the popular. That's what I call a win. 8 @ 100 yards. Even if it did pass right through the bigger. A 9mm is a lot faster, and the bullet is half the weight. 62x39mm round and the subsequent 5. Aug 09, 2017 · FBI Unlearns Gun & Ammo History … 9mm Vs 45 Don McDougall. These people think the 9mm shoots magic bullets and the 45 is just slow and heavy. 45 ACP had an ever so slight advantage when it came to wound channel. The 9mm is always said to have more power than the 380 ACP, but how much more? This is a data-driven and personal opinion comparison of 380 ACP Vs 9mm. 270 Winchester rifle cartridge, and Elmer Keith , who was a vociferous advocate of large calibers and heavy, slow-moving bullets. 45 ACP and. Suppressor Safe — The projectile is machined from solid bar stock. BUT lots will also tell you. That’s what I call a win. Be sure to watch the part where the guy gets shot in the chest twice with a 9mm and walks away. 9mm vs 38 vs 45 9mm vs 38 vs 45. Recoil is, of course, a bit snappier than standard pressure 124gr 9mm, but it’s by no means obnoxious. 45 than for 9mm. I have shot more than 500 rounds in training with this bullet and I believe in it. Unless you through simple logic out the window, the 45 does more damage. Jacketed Hollow Point vs. Even if it did pass right through the bigger. A woman in her 60's was transported to a local hospital with a gunshot wound to her neck Local News St. The 9mm+P rounds’ velocity, according to Inceptors’ website, is only 45 fps faster than the standard 9mm. 45 or 9mm sideways and not worry ballistics tests. The energy transfer or the lack of it in a human target in case the 9mm pistol bullet passes through or stays inside is a bit over hyped; full penetration causes more lethal effects and it is deep penetration which kills faster than a shallow but larger wound channel. 45ACP is better than 9mm if all we look at is ballistic performance. I've read that the PDW rounds used by the MP7 and P90, like the 4. It would have been helpful to have a scale provided, and also to have a clearer idea of the permanent wound channels left after the temporary disturbance had died down. 45 ACP (matters for range use). There are four major handgun founding factors. At PRIME Ammunition we believe that with great freedom, comes great responsibility and our Constitutional Rights can only be fully realized if we are able to put the right bullet, in the right place, at the right time, for the right reason. Long/Good Discussion on Effectiveness of 9mm Ammo Corbon 9mm 115-gr. The majority of FBI shooters are both FASTER in shot strings fired and more ACCURATE with shooting a 9mm Luger vs shooting a. Yes, when battling overseas we are restricted to ‘ball’ rounds, we all know this. Your personal thoughts on 9mm vs. 45: you trade velocity for mass. So don’t get caught in a fair fight. If you want to knock down steel in a match,. 45 ACP may very well be the more potent than 9mm, but some responses seem to convey the notion that the 45 is akin to a deathblow without fail and that the 9mm might be effective only on injured sparrows…and then only with repeat shots! One of my personal favorites is that the 9mm was "designed to wound" while the 45 ACP was "designed to. December 31, 2017 at 3:35 PM. 45 for a few reasons… Weight. 40 S&W provide nearly identical accuracy, drift and drop, but the 0. In the 9mm versus. To paraphrase NIJ Report 100-83, the single most important factor in incapacitation is shot placement. More and more women are entering law enforcement and it would look bad if they can’t even handle their firearm so therefore they are shooting a 9mm and told it is the best. 9mm Fed 147 gr JHP HST (P9HST2) from G17:. There are four major handgun founding factors. 45 Auto cannot distinguish the difference between wounds caused by. 45 +P is thrown out, the difference is less than 150 ft-lbs. The 9mm submachine gun is a small, yet capable weapon, able to empty a full magazine in under three seconds. The Gold Dot bullet’s design has been tweaked to the point of applications in 9mm,. A German youth eagerly enters World War I, but his enthusiasm wanes as he gets a firsthand view of the horror. Going from 9mm to. Ultimately, shot placement is what matters. The money issue has been solved courtesy of some money given to me by a relative, so I have choices available to me. 45 rounds-9mm Lugar 2. We were unable to capture the bullet, but the ball round left wound track similar, though not as large, as the 44, before it skipped. The following is taken from the DOJ Report regarding the bullets and casings taken at the site of BRS:seven empty cases-9mm. 45 but a 9mm with similar properties as the. The 45 ACP rounds were test fired using a Ruger SR45 with a 4. His articles—"9mm Vs. 45 has a slightly bigger wound channel. It will easily penetrate a car or truck windshield. My test 9mm Luger Inceptor ammo with the 65 gr projectile, was fired from a Glock 17. That extra round’s capacity to wound will far outweigh the miniscule difference in potential for any individual bullets. 357 is much worse? Help me out here. I use DRT 150gr. venetool repuestos miller electric weld originales caracas venezuela venetool. The wound channel is devastating, when compared to the 30 caliber, and they learned that from our use of it in Vietnam. The issue is now finding the right gun for me not only ergonomically but economically. 45 & 9mm only have an advantage in near misses where the larger temporary wound channel would damage nearby vital organs, but a direct hit (heart, brain or major vessel) from any of these three calibers will yield similar results IMO. BUT lots will also tell you. The 45 ACP rounds were test fired using a Ruger SR45 with a 4. But otherwise, the 9mm has a lot going for it. " Anonymous 2016-09-18 14:19:44 Post No. 45 Auto Given contemporary bullet construction, LEO’s can field (with proper bullet selection) 9mm Lugers with all of the terminal performance potential of any other law enforcement pistol caliber. The never-ending 9mm vs. Energy is energy and if effectively transferred into the target - it does not matter whether it is energy from a 9mm or a. a 124 or 147 grain 9mm +P+ load, the. 45 acp is greater wound channel but with less rounds and more recoil. 30,000+ for 9mm) and generates a different recoil impulse. 45: The Definitive Article On Caliber Performance. I think there is a considerable difference and when I get to the point I think the 40 or 45 is a little much for me, I’ll get an Ultra Carry II in 9mm. It would have been helpful to have a scale provided, and also to have a clearer idea of the permanent wound channels left after the temporary disturbance had died down. had a denium jacket in front of the block. 380 and 9mm. This is a discussion on Another 9mm vs 40cal vs 45ACP debate from a restricted capacity point of view within the SIG Sauer Pistols forums, part of the SIG Sauer Forum category; Originally Posted by SiGDaK If you can do this then carry it. Go get yourself a metric ruler and see how small a difference in diameter 2mm is. 9mm is lower recoil and more capacity but smaller wound channel. So, I did a quick overlay of what I think is “the best” 9mm and 380 for you to get an idea of the penetration and wound channel difference between the two. Shoot them both at the same velocity at a block of gelatin. We were unable to capture the bullet, but the ball round left wound track similar, though not as large, as the 44, before it skipped. PolyCase's. 45 still the top self-defense choice? A key point in choosing self-defense ammo is its ability to quickly neutralize a threat. 357 125 grain JHP creates a far larger wound channel and is more effective than any conventional. 45 has a slightly bigger wound channel. Now, exceed that magical FPS and you're transforming that temporary wound cavity which sucks back in rapidly to a teeny hole into a nice big permanent wound cavity with damage beyond just what the bullet touches. 40 S&W has an energy advantage. Re: FMJ vs Hollow Points - 9mm CCW [ Re: hatari ] #10304170 08/18/15. Re: Not a 9mm vs. 45 Auto (11. 45 ACP guns. Even with high tech JHP bullets the light 90 gr rounds tend to expand and under penetrate. How wide do you think the best 9mm bullet expands? JHP's are better at creating wider wound channels, but. I joined IDPA in 2014 with one goal in mind: Feel more confident when I carry a concealed weapon. 45 ACP Number of Rounds To Incapacitate: 2. Re: Not a 9mm vs. For the purpose of this article, the 9mm NATO M882 is the ‘winner’ by a 2. 38 Special ammo; 9mm ammo; Effectiveness of Bullet Wounds: How Gunshot Wounds Work. 45 ACP may very well be the more potent than 9mm, but some responses seem to convey the notion that the 45 is akin to a deathblow without fail and that the 9mm might be effective only on injured sparrows…and then only with repeat shots! One of my personal favorites is that the 9mm was "designed to wound" while the 45 ACP was "designed to. Defense: But if I’m choosing this as a personal defense weapon to carry every day, I would (and do) choose to carry a 9mm. 40 S&W has an energy advantage. BUT lots will also tell you. So, my solution to the whole 9mm vs 40 S&W vs 45 ACP debate was to carry a 9mm because it's what I shoot the best. dat" to the root directory of your USB flash; Install the jailbreak firmware. If you notice in the above photo, there is little difference between 9mm, 40 S&W and 45 ACP in regards to both temporary and permanent wound cavities, and overall penetration. Between these two, shot placement and bullet performance will matter more. None can tell if a wound channel is made by any particular caliber of JHP until they measure the bullet found at the end of it. Sub machine guns are generally the first choice for clearing buildings and those use pistol rounds with 9mm or. 40 S&W provide nearly identical accuracy, drift and drop, but the 0. 357 SIG for the Xtreme defense and. Take that as you will. AP in both calibers is -5 so a. 45 ACP had an ever so slight advantage when it came to wound channel. TV Podcast Gear Books SOF Units premium line law Auto enforcement projectiles from 9mm Luger through the. 357 Hollowpoints Bullet Wounds WOUND BALLISTICS - Motion and Effects of Projectiles in wound 357 ballistics magnum human 223 effects 56 9mm hollow point fackler channel profiles martin mm projectiles motion quora remington. 45 debate, there are some immutable points and some debatable ones. It is significantly less expensive to shoot 9mm in training than it is to shoot. One thing I noticed in the video is the only caliber where Corbon showed more than one bullet weight is the 45 Auto: 165gr JHP, 1250fps, 573ftlbs 230gr JHP, 950fps, 461ftlbs You can see in the video how the gel reacts, simulating tissue disruption and wound cavity, and the lighter, faster, higher ME round is superior. The highest-capacity 9mm I know of is the Tanfoglio (EAA) Witness Match and Springfield XD pistols with their 19+1 capability. 9mm: Part II, the. It has no knockdown power and, unless you hit a vital area, it is of no use. 223 = Winchester PDX1 77gr hollowpoint. The issue is now finding the right gun for me not only ergonomically but economically. There is little to no noticeable difference in the wound tracks between premium line law Auto enforcement projectiles from 9mm Luger through the. Progressive nose geometry for deep, straight penetration. When I was a kid growing up in the 1980's there were two major debates raging. 45 Auto Given contemporary bullet construction, LEO’s can field (with proper bullet selection) 9mm Lugers with all of the terminal performance potential of any other law enforcement pistol caliber. This is a discussion on Another 9mm vs 40cal vs 45ACP debate from a restricted capacity point of view within the SIG Sauer Pistols forums, part of the SIG Sauer Forum category; Originally Posted by SiGDaK If you can do this then carry it. 45 ACP guns. 45 > 9mm as it opens a larger wound channel. The wound channel may not be significantly different but those bullets tested in bare gelatin did not encounter bone. Unless you through simple logic out the window, the 45 does more damage. 38, and 9mm. The 135 grain Cor-Bon load in JHP. However, my 9mm ammo is a 158grainer sub-sonic round CJHP 'tactical brand. 32 auto, don't shoot me with one. Personal Defense HST is available in 9mm (124-grain),. 45 ACP Number of Rounds To Incapacitate: 2. 40cal, I'm thinking the larger round (45cal) would have a greater effect. 45 ACP hollowpoint. com So before we discuss the 9mm vs. The flat point bullets cause a VERY long (exit/over penatration) but Very narrow wound (when compared to the above) to a human. 2025″ and the 9mm is 0. 45acp is fine. Muzzle energy is not the only standard, but on that basis, 9X19 is hard pressed to be pushed much past 500 ft/lbs with a 7" bbl. Basically to see the wound channel more clearly. Yes, I know Jeff Cooper said the. 9mm is best mm. Some possible pistols:Browing,Smith &wesson,Star,Astra,LIama,Neuhausen,Zebrojoka,Esper-anza and Husqvarna. Recoil is, of course, a bit snappier than standard pressure 124gr 9mm, but it’s by no means obnoxious. 45 ACP) range between 345 and 534 ft-lbs. 40 S&W and. I carry a 9mm for edc, but am seriously considering a 45acp. A lot of good information in this video. 45 feels Mysore gentle because it is a lower pressure round (somewhere in the 17,000 to 20,000 PSI range vs. Sydney Vail is a trauma surgeon and one of the nation's leading authorities on tactical medicine and the care of gunshot victims. The 9mm and the 0. Defense: But if I’m choosing this as a personal defense weapon to carry every day, I would (and do) choose to carry a 9mm. 44 mag, so a 3% difference makes the. That's right, just 2mm larger in diameter than a 9mm. Performance is about the same. Shoot them both at the same velocity at a block of gelatin. I think there is a considerable difference and when I get to the point I think the 40 or 45 is a little much for me, I’ll get an Ultra Carry II in 9mm. DPX +P--(Fired from Browning Hi Power w/factory barrel, w/Barsto barrel, and from Glock 26) J. 62 NATO cartridge found in. Dave Emary Dave Emary (Affiliation: Hornady Manufacturing; Position: Senior Scientist) 9mm or. There is lots of data that shows much better results with hollow points vs FMJ, especially in 9mm. 45? I have PDX1's (current FBI pick) in both calibers. 32 auto, don't shoot me with one. 45 ACP are negligible, making 9mm the obvious choice for "non-big-rounds. This comes from FBI guidelines and should be a strong consideration. 45 ACP shot shell holds 120 grains of #9 shot and produces a tight, dense, devastating pattern that gets the job done with one shot. I also am having trouble reconciling a few things: 1. Directed by Lewis Milestone. Between these two, shot placement and bullet performance will matter more. 9mm is also easier to shoot, faster to shoot, has more rounds available in every platform, smaller/lighter guns for most uses, has better penetration, is far. A properly placed shot from either is going to create a very similar wound to that created by the other. 45 caliber PDX1 is also a badass. The 9mm is always said to have more power than the 380 ACP, but how much more? This is a data-driven and personal opinion comparison of 380 ACP Vs 9mm. ZK-> RE: 9mm vs. 45 "hits harder" if the wound channel and shot placement is what causes a physiological stoppage. 45 ACP and. UDP 203 Jailbreak Firmware version:UDP 1209; Firmware Download New~!!! version:1031; Firmware download version:0827. 45 ACP cartridge is large and takes up considerably more space in a magazine than a 9mm round does. He works in a morgue so these are all deaths. Take that as you will. I understand 9mm is about 300fps faster and flatter trajectory than. I just finished telling you the 44 doesn't have enough information to fully confirm what it can do along with the 32 acp round. 357 seem to expand great and have a larger wound channel. When I was a kid growing up in the 1980's there were two major debates raging. The Gold Dot bullet’s design has been tweaked to the point of applications in 9mm,. Yes, but you can’t cheat physics. THIS IS NOT LOADED AMMUNITION. 9mm is also easier to shoot, faster to shoot, has more rounds available in every platform, smaller/lighter guns for most uses, has better penetration, is far. 9mm Fed 147 gr JHP HST (P9HST2) from G17:. 40 caliber in terms of wound ballistics, let's define the concept of "stopping power. Dave Emary Dave Emary (Affiliation: Hornady Manufacturing; Position: Senior Scientist) 9mm or. " I believe the definition of stopping power for law enforcement should be a particular ammunition's effectiveness to render a person unable to offer resistance or remain a threat to the officer, an intended victim, or self. 45ACP is better than 9mm if all we look at is ballistic performance. 56 NATO round (as seen in the current Russian Izmash AK101 and AK102 rifles, with 415mm and 314mm barrel lengths, respectively) and the 7. The 9mm rounds are common and lightweight, making it even easier to spray-and-pray. Muzzle energy is not the only standard, but on that basis, 9X19 is hard pressed to be pushed much past 500 ft/lbs with a 7" bbl. and not very different for 9mm vs. 9mm vs 45 wound channel Download. 357 is much worse? Help me out here. With a larger magazine capacity, and significantly less felt recoil than the other cartridges, the 9mm allowed FBI agents to carry more ammunition and land more hits on target than all the other cartridges. 45 vs 9mm 45 vs 9mm. 45 ACP ammo is more expensive than 9MM. You'll only make me mad. The more than century-old debate of. For the purpose of this article, the 9mm NATO M882 is the ‘winner’ by a 2. However, it shoots it much faster, with much less recoil, and 9mm handguns have a higher capacity. 45 has a slightly bigger wound channel. For years I thought. 45 ACP had an ever so slight advantage when it came to wound channel. 45 Auto cannot distinguish the difference between wounds caused by. From a related question: Do you guys like the. 45's" were on the table and when an armed robber was pumped full of. Everybody wants that large wound channel. 9mm vs 45 wound channel. The 9mm submachine gun (SMG) is a weapon in Fallout: New Vegas. The 9mm is always said to have more power than the 380 ACP, but how much more? This is a data-driven and personal opinion comparison of 380 ACP Vs 9mm. The debate generally centers on three options, the 9mm,. Welcome to The Machine Gun Channel! Here you will find tests of ammo, armor, guns, gear, and much much more!. 45 but a 9mm with similar properties as the. With Lew Ayres, Louis Wolheim, John Wray, Arnold Lucy. 45 +P is thrown out, the difference is less than 150 ft-lbs. 357 SIG for the Xtreme defense and. Re: FMJ vs Hollow Points - 9mm CCW [ Re: hatari ] #10304170 08/18/15. His articles—"9mm Vs. dat" to the root directory of your USB flash; Install the jailbreak firmware. What all of the above means is that if you shoot a. 45 alternatives. 45 Accuracy. 7mm rounds, are good at penetrating body armor, but aren't as good at damaging flesh, while normal submachine gun rounds, like the 9mm or the. The consensus within the firearms community would agree that full metal jacket rounds are best for any bulk volume or high round count shooting (i. The 9mm +P+ cannot. 45 rounds-9mm Lugar 2. Cost 45 Acp Reloading 40 S W Vs 45 Acp 9mm Luger Ammo Testing & Ballistics Even though the recoil of the 9mm Luger is much less than the 40 S&W or 45 ACP, you will be surprised at the results on the business end. The EXD projectile has optimized flute geometry, total weight, and velocity to achieve a penetration depth up to 18 inches* with a permanent wound cavity (PWC) that is just simply enormous; no expanding hollowpoint comes close to achieving anywhere near this collective volume of wound cavity. 357 is better than the. penatration was 13″ and a 5″ diameter permant wound channel. The edge does go slightly in favor the the 45 as we see that there was quite of bit of. The 9mm is just as accurate as the. I use DRT 150gr. The 45 ACP rounds were test fired using a Ruger SR45 with a 4. This particular load is from the Defend series with a JHP projectile. Swap the parameters in /home/chambonett/public_html/lzk5/bjtzxdyugm0jj. 38 caliber revolvers, the Gold Dot in 135 grain weight is especially appropriate. 40 S&W left the most devastating wound channel. You can carry more 9mm, so more hits can make up the difference. Which has the most stopping power?. (not to say I don’t also have 9mm’s (CZ75s & Walther P99) and. I just finished telling you the 44 doesn't have enough information to fully confirm what it can do along with the 32 acp round. 45 ACP (matters for range use). The 45 is a big, bang fun shoot - but more costly to practice with. I also threw in 9mm and. 40 S&W was designed such that it could be retrofitted into medium-frame (9mm size) automatic handguns. 45 ACP) range between 345 and 534 ft-lbs. With the modern JHP ammunition available today, there is virtually NO DIFFERENCE IN PERFORMANCE between the 9mm and the. That's right, just 2mm larger in diameter than a 9mm. 45 got it's reputation fighting malnourished and dehydrated Japanese soldiers in WWII, while they may have been on drugs, bullets didn't have to penetrate much to hit their vitals and stop them. That extra round’s capacity to wound will far outweigh the miniscule difference in potential for any individual bullets. 45 will do one or two whole extra points of damage over a 9mm. A 9mm Gold dot is a badass round, but a. 357 is better than the. This particular load is from the Defend series with a JHP projectile. 9mm ammo is lighter and smaller, so more rounds can be carried in magazines. 45 cal being the most popular. 45acp AR for fun shooting and HD. 45 Automatic pistol vs carbine ballistic test can be found […] American Tactical Mil-Sport, 9mm Luger AR carbine. 40 simply produces more energy and momentum. My theory is that. Go get yourself a metric ruler and see how small a difference in diameter 2mm is. 7″ expanded diameter for the 45 and 0. 45acp is fine. From a related question: Do you guys like the. 46 Min: 1,101 Max: 1,145 Spread: 44. The 9mm is a hole puncher. While headshots do leave wounds on the victim, they're rather small and hard to notice, even if you use the Heavy Sniper. 56 and 9mm fell short in the bullet energy department by roughly 100-200 ft/lbs across the board. - Range Hot - April 11, 2016. It would have been helpful to have a scale provided, and also to have a clearer idea of the permanent wound channels left after the temporary disturbance had died down. Enter length in box to be converted. The wound channel for the first few inches of penetration was devastating, but the bullet doesn’t meet the FBI’s 12″ minimum penetration guideline through either heavy clothing or auto glass. 40 S&W, 357 SIG, 9MM, 45 ACP, and. 45 will do one or two whole extra points of damage over a 9mm. 45, including speed, it's larger in diameter and nearly twice the wieght. The FBI used a mix of firearms including. Aug 09, 2017 · FBI Unlearns Gun & Ammo History … 9mm Vs 45 Don McDougall. John Chapman (Chappy) John Chapman (Chappy) (Affiliation: LMS Defense / EAG Tactical; Position: Weapons and Tactics Instructor) 9mm or. The most common gunshot wounds DM2 sees are from. 45 is also the easiest round to stop with a vest, by far. 45? (5/14/2009 11:14:14 PM) In the stock game 9mm HP does +5 and. and thats a good thang. 45 Colt loads in terms of relevant wound volume. But otherwise, the 9mm has a lot going for it. For me a nice wound channel with shallow penetration doesn't cut it. So don't get caught in a fair fight. He works in a morgue so these are all deaths. revolvers debate was decided by the 1940's and autoloading pistols were clearly the path forward. 40 Smith vs. In the stock game 9mm HP does +5 and. Go get yourself a metric ruler and see how small a difference in diameter 2mm is. 44 mag, so a 3% difference makes the. The issue is now finding the right gun for me not only ergonomically but economically. 45 ACP is less likely to overpenetrate than a small fast round like a 9mm. The first pitted the revolver against the autoloading pistol. Or, look at the empty cases if the bullet exited. ' Im confident that my 9mm can stop any BG on their tracks with the right placement shots. Welcome to The Machine Gun Channel! Here you will find tests of ammo, armor, guns, gear, and much much more!. 357 Hollowpoints Bullet Wounds WOUND BALLISTICS - Motion and Effects of Projectiles in wound 357 ballistics magnum human 223 effects 56 9mm hollow point fackler channel profiles martin mm projectiles motion quora remington. 45 ACP simply because of the 10mm's flatter trajectory. Everybody wants that large wound channel. 45 ACP hollowpoint. 45s(Dan Wesson CZ 1911) as well. A lot of good information in this video. 45ACP and 9mm cartridges will be examined from the standpoint of how the use of expanding designs effects their respective lethality ratings. Bottom line, the. We design and make technology that takes the limits off living. 40 S&W has an energy advantage. The highest-capacity 9mm I know of is the Tanfoglio (EAA) Witness Match and Springfield XD pistols with their 19+1 capability. There is lots of data that shows much better results with hollow points vs FMJ, especially in 9mm. Now lets talk about wound cavities caused by different caliber handgun rounds. 43×23mm) is a rimless straight-walled handgun cartridge designed by John Moses Browning in 1904, for use in his prototype Colt semi-automatic pistol. 45 as well (or better) than other rounds, there's no reason not to use it. 40 S&W and. 45ACP vs 9mm rages on. Doesn't matter if a. 45? I have PDX1's (current FBI pick) in both calibers. 40-Caliber-. His articles—"9mm Vs. I also threw in 9mm and. So don’t get caught in a fair fight. Dual-caliber Revolver vs. Welcome to The Machine Gun Channel! Here you will find tests of ammo, armor, guns, gear, and much much more!. This is precisely the reason your range ammo is not appropriate for carry. 9mm 40 45 I cast first vote for 40 with. 62x39mm round and the subsequent 5. I understand 9mm is about 300fps faster and flatter trajectory than. His articles—"9mm Vs. So what you get is exceptional penetration coupled with a larger permanent wound cavity. had a denium jacket in front of the block. Aug 09, 2017 · FBI Unlearns Gun & Ammo History … 9mm Vs 45 Don McDougall. PolyCase's ARX sits in a magazine and feeds just like a round nose. The bullet won’t over penetrate, but it also isn’t likely to penetrate deeply enough to reliably stop a determined attacker. 45 ACP, while not very good at penetrating body armor, can actually do more damage to flesh. The debate generally centers on three options, the 9mm,. The Xtreme Defender is based on the Xtreme Defense Fluid Transfer Monolithic (FTM®) family of projectiles. balistic gelatin test : from 25ft. I just finished telling you the 44 doesn't have enough information to fully confirm what it can do along with the 32 acp round. But otherwise, the 9mm has a lot going for it. 40 Smith vs. 45 ACP had an ever so slight advantage when it came to wound channel. That's right, just 2mm larger in diameter than a 9mm. 45ACP and 9mm cartridges will be examined from the standpoint of how the use of expanding designs effects their respective lethality ratings. Comparison of Federal HST in 9mm,. To paraphrase NIJ Report 100-83, the single most important factor in incapacitation is shot placement. 357 Hollowpoints Bullet Wounds WOUND BALLISTICS - Motion and Effects of Projectiles in wound 357 ballistics magnum human 223 effects 56 9mm hollow point fackler channel profiles martin mm projectiles motion quora remington.